they decided, the date we moved to atlanta, the law enforcement people here arrested him. i could not understand why they arrested him when he got back to atlanta. that was his home. that is what it was. they had accused him of perjury, a very serious crime. when he realized that this was what had happened -- it had to happen, he had to pay something like $1,500. not a lot of money -- in that day, it was a pretty good sum of money. he said, i do not have time to get lawyers and go to court, so i will pay this even though i do not owe it. they said that by paying it, that was an admission of guilt. he got very depressed, extremely depressed. he said, "i will spend the rest of my life trying to prove that i did not steal the money." i said, "you know you did not steal it. you just have to go on. people will eventually no." -- eventually know the bank -- know." the undersecretary of the united nations said to him, "martin, if the state it -- if the state of alabama is against yours, who do you think they will believe?" tavis: i want to be respectful, but i want to find a way